SO, YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT ISLAM?
If you are a Jew, you owe it to yourself, to your loved ones to know as much about Islam as you can. Not to learn the verkackte* "religion" (it's an ideology really disguised as a religion), it is the political part that concerns you, not how many times they slam their foreheads on the ground per day). You need not be able to quote the multitude of verses of the incomprehesnsible koran--incomprehensible because it is a patchworks of bits and pieces, taken from Judaism (mostly) and Christianity. And perverted. Oh how the teachings of Judaism are perverted! It is a pieced-together confusing mess--BECAUSE IT LACKS REASON!
It is not the koran, we are discussing here, however, but Islam--not its internal structure or different sects and schools, but HOW IT AFFECTS YOU! And me. For that's all that matters, really. As for Islam far away from us, in its mosques in Arabia, we couldn't care less how they pray there. The sermons delivered by their clerics, however, doconcern us. Why? Because more often than not they exhort the "faithful" to attack the Jew, to drive the Jew from Israel, and "in the end of days" to kill all the Jews.
That's why Islam is important to Jews. Now, let's get on with WHAT EVERY JEW NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT ISLAM--AND MOSLEMS, BECAUSE WITHOUT MOSLEMS THERE IS NO ISLAM, IT IS AN ABSTRACTION. AFTER HUMANS ARE GONE FROM THE EARTH, ISLAM AS WELL AS ANY OTHER IDEOLOGY, PHILOSOPHY AND RELIGION WILL CEASE TO EXIST. NO MINDS, NO THOUGHTS, NO IDEAS.
To get started, to put your toe in the water--don't be afraid, it's warm, not too warm, but just comfortable--we refer to a post at Jihad Watch and some comments by insightful and ultra-perceptive minds.
Start off with the razor-sharp mind of Bill Warner Bill Warner who says
All of my comments are from the standpoint of the unbeliever, the kafir. I have no interest, whatsoever, in religious Islam. My interest is only in how Islam treats the "other" or political Islam.
The amount of the material in the Trilogy (Koran, Sira and Hadith) about the kafir is considerable. About 67% of the Koran written in Mecca is about the kafir, 51% of the Koran written in Medina is about the kafir. About 75% of the text in Ishaq's Sira is about the kafir and 20% of the Hadith (Bukhari) is about the kafir.
Every mention about the kafir is negative. "Kafir" is usually translated as unbeliever, but this is wrong. The word "unbeliever" is neutral. The Koran defines the kafir by its usage and says that the kafir can be killed, hated, punished, raped, mocked, enslaved, plotted against, beheaded, tortured, insulted, condemned, stolen from, deceived, kidnapped, humiliated and on and on. The Hadith and Sira follow in the same vein. There is no word in the English language that has the negativity of the word kafir.
As a measure of the negativity it is interesting to observe the Jew hatred. The hatred of Jews accounts for 10.6% of the text written in Medina . As a comparison, 6.8% of the text in Mein Kamph is about Jew hatred.
This section is brilliant, not only because it points out how the Qur'an is more virulently judeophobic (even though Islam may allow Jews the option of Islamizing, unlike the Nazis), but how words like 'unbeliever' or 'infidel' are inadequate translations of 'kafir'. Maybe there is something to the claim of Mohammedan apologists that you have to know Arabic to understand the Qur'an, although not in the way they intend.
And this is the part people overlook when they for understandable reasons don't want to get involved in the inner workings of Islam (just as I'm not interested in whether Catholic priests are ever allowed to marry). So much of it is about Islam vis a vis Infidels (which some Mohammedan poster here was yesterday touting as a positive that the destruction, or at the minimum, an overwhelming distortion of Islam is what would be required.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at March 7, 2008 3:59 PM , who starts off his comment with
If you are a Jew, you owe it to yourself, to your loved ones to know as much about Islam as you can. Not to learn the verkackte* "religion" (it's an ideology really disguised as a religion), it is the political part that concerns you, not how many times they slam their foreheads on the ground per day). You need not be able to quote the multitude of verses of the incomprehesnsible koran--incomprehensible because it is a patchworks of bits and pieces, taken from Judaism (mostly) and Christianity. And perverted. Oh how the teachings of Judaism are perverted! It is a pieced-together confusing mess--BECAUSE IT LACKS REASON!
It is not the koran, we are discussing here, however, but Islam--not its internal structure or different sects and schools, but HOW IT AFFECTS YOU! And me. For that's all that matters, really. As for Islam far away from us, in its mosques in Arabia, we couldn't care less how they pray there. The sermons delivered by their clerics, however, doconcern us. Why? Because more often than not they exhort the "faithful" to attack the Jew, to drive the Jew from Israel, and "in the end of days" to kill all the Jews.
That's why Islam is important to Jews. Now, let's get on with WHAT EVERY JEW NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT ISLAM--AND MOSLEMS, BECAUSE WITHOUT MOSLEMS THERE IS NO ISLAM, IT IS AN ABSTRACTION. AFTER HUMANS ARE GONE FROM THE EARTH, ISLAM AS WELL AS ANY OTHER IDEOLOGY, PHILOSOPHY AND RELIGION WILL CEASE TO EXIST. NO MINDS, NO THOUGHTS, NO IDEAS.
To get started, to put your toe in the water--don't be afraid, it's warm, not too warm, but just comfortable--we refer to a post at Jihad Watch and some comments by insightful and ultra-perceptive minds.
Start off with the razor-sharp mind of Bill Warner Bill Warner who says
All of my comments are from the standpoint of the unbeliever, the kafir. I have no interest, whatsoever, in religious Islam. My interest is only in how Islam treats the "other" or political Islam.
The amount of the material in the Trilogy (Koran, Sira and Hadith) about the kafir is considerable. About 67% of the Koran written in Mecca is about the kafir, 51% of the Koran written in Medina is about the kafir. About 75% of the text in Ishaq's Sira is about the kafir and 20% of the Hadith (Bukhari) is about the kafir.
Every mention about the kafir is negative. "Kafir" is usually translated as unbeliever, but this is wrong. The word "unbeliever" is neutral. The Koran defines the kafir by its usage and says that the kafir can be killed, hated, punished, raped, mocked, enslaved, plotted against, beheaded, tortured, insulted, condemned, stolen from, deceived, kidnapped, humiliated and on and on. The Hadith and Sira follow in the same vein. There is no word in the English language that has the negativity of the word kafir.
As a measure of the negativity it is interesting to observe the Jew hatred. The hatred of Jews accounts for 10.6% of the text written in Medina . As a comparison, 6.8% of the text in Mein Kamph is about Jew hatred.
This section is brilliant, not only because it points out how the Qur'an is more virulently judeophobic (even though Islam may allow Jews the option of Islamizing, unlike the Nazis), but how words like 'unbeliever' or 'infidel' are inadequate translations of 'kafir'. Maybe there is something to the claim of Mohammedan apologists that you have to know Arabic to understand the Qur'an, although not in the way they intend.
And this is the part people overlook when they for understandable reasons don't want to get involved in the inner workings of Islam (just as I'm not interested in whether Catholic priests are ever allowed to marry). So much of it is about Islam vis a vis Infidels (which some Mohammedan poster here was yesterday touting as a positive that the destruction, or at the minimum, an overwhelming distortion of Islam is what would be required.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at March 7, 2008 3:59 PM , who starts off his comment with
Another brilliant obervation from Bill Warner
To conclude, like Mr. Spencer, I note that Mr. Yuksel [a self-styled "moderate Moslem debating with him] has called me to Islam. [That is, to convert to Islam]
Let me use this example to show the dualism of Islam. This “call” has two meanings. The first meaning is that Mr. Yuksel has an actual concern for my well being and does not want me to be one of the citizens of Hell who is being mocked by the Muslims in Paradise as I burn with my shirt of fire and drink my molten brass. I like that interpretation.But there is a second meaning to the call. When Mohammed attacked the Jews of Khaybar (an event referred to in the Medinan Koran) he first called them to Islam. When they rejected this call they were attacked, crushed and made dhimmis. It was in this vein that bin Laden called America to Islam before he attacked on September 11, 2001 . So the call to Islam can be from care and concern or it can be a prelude to death by jihad. Such is the dualistic nature of political Islam and the Koran.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at March 7, 2008 4:15 PM
[NOTE: Clicking on the date, takes you to the comment at Jihad Watch]
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